Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Ancient Symbols Once At Gretchen's?
















For anyone who has any experience at Gretchen's Lock, you will recognize this as the old house that once graced the park. I would call your attention, however, to the slab of stone in the far right pic that lies closest to the road. On that slab of stone was the circle carving above. I often wondered what that might be. One possibility is called a Rune, an ancient symbol or form of writing. They first appeared some 1500 years ago in Europe. As Christianity took hold, the runic alphabet became reviled as a pagan practice, and eventually was little seen. The word "rune" comes from an Anglo Saxon word meaning secret or mystery.

It was also used by the Vikings. As near as I can guess, this symbol on the stone above could mean comfort, joy, or glory on one hand (WUNJO, W). But if it is a different letter (URUZ, U), then it could mean strength, speed, or good health. All are positive things.
I have also considered the possibility that it might be Native American, though from what I have seen, those symbols are far more complicated.
Sadly, there is no way to study it. I think they pushed it into the well along with the rest of the house. I didn't know anything about Runes at the time, or maybe I could have told someone and it might have been saved. As it is, I at least have the pics I took of it. If you know what this might be, if anything, please email me or leave a comment!

59 comments:

Anonymous said...

Really! You dont think that could be a spot where something once was instead of some ancient message? Come on!! Geesh, this is far fetched even for you.

Kimberly said...

A question mark means I am asking if that could be what it is. It could be anything. I have had other people look at my pictures, but it was too weather worn to be sure. Since it is gone, no one will ever know.
At least I don't superimpose ghostly images on my pictures and try to claim they are the real thing. Though I am sure you wouldn't know anything about that...or would you?

Anonymous said...

oh , and you don't say that the pics you have are real ? the evp's also ? you and your crew know absolutly nothing in the ghost hunting field ! you , your crew , tammy , and stacy all need to go to the ghost hunting 101 class ! you all know absolutely NOTHING , so get lives ! i am tired of stupid people and your youtube videos are not good at all for your info !

Kimberly said...

I always make sure to tell people that what I talk about is all theory. As in this article, I point out that it could be a lot of things, but one possible theory could be Runes. I even asked if any one knew for sure what it is could they leave a comment.
Nothing is 100% in the paranormal field. I do not make the claims that you do. And your pics are obviously doctored. The Gretchen picture looks too much like the Gretchen in your videos for example. No one knows what Gretchen really looked like. She could have had blond hair for all any one knows. They also don't know that she even existed, much less what year she died. (You claim it was 1838)
You are foolish and I feel sorry for you. And I don't care what you think of my videos. A lot of other people do like them. Though I do think it is pretty low to rate the unsolved murder videos low like you have. They are like public service messages to help solve crimes. But then, that does not surprise me about you.

Anonymous said...

On your big old rune key.... where is the key for the giant "o" at?? Wow. Kim. I think your out of your freakin tree and slightly obsessed. You need to stop planting thoughts. Maybe you need to take some time off. Relax. Take a few for yourself.

Anonymous said...

Oooo. Where do I sign up for Ghost Hunting 101?? Please tell me. And who's teaching this class? Who? You Kim?? Give me a break. You only think you know everything!

Kimberly said...

I must of have struck a nerve because you are starting to ramble.
I think people will know who it is that I am talking to despite the fact that you are too much of a coward to leave your name.
Oh, and the circle is not what I am talking about. It's the carving in the center. Once again you have shown how truly foolish you are. Please continue because you are just showing every one A. your true lack of knowledge in the paranormal field, and B. your lack of grammar skills.

jon mcelhaney said...

Wow! Anonymous sounds like you are feeling the pressure of the ghosting 12 crew; keep trying but u loose due to the fact of your ranting "who" ever you are; makes you LOOK BAD!

Anonymous said...

Have your psychic friend tell you who I am. Or better yet. Use you EVP and ask your friends the "ghosts"

Anonymous said...

Ghost 12 crew. Are you serious? Lets see. A divorcee. Her son. A garbage truck driver. An old man. Two strange overweight women. And a young girl. So whats the pressure? Too funny. Kim just doesnt like to be called out. And bye the way. Its a circle Kim. Get over it!!!

Anonymous said...

Kim , Listen ! Do you really know what you are talking about ? i think Not! you absolutely know NOTHING about ghost hunting at all ! and yes to everyone Kim does think she knows EVERYTHING ! and doesn't !! its a fact !! and just like you always say "GRIST MILL" hmmm its not that so stop being a dummy Oh wait your not acting ! it is the "Hambilton Mill" so once again you think you know it all when nothing is more like it ! and alot of your pics look like they are stolen ones or breath pics ! and 1838 is when gretchen died i have looked it up , maybe if you decide to sit down and do a little research you might just see , i am so glad i am not going down there any more to the park because i really honestly dont like scum ! and that way i dont hav to see YOU , TAMMY , STACY, STEVE and the rest of your little followers ! and hmm another thing , its not kids in my group ! Get A Life !!

Kimberly said...

Anything else? Dig your hole a little deeper. Edward Gil never had any children. So how could you find any reference to Gretchen's death? But keep trying. And do keep ranting and raving.

Anonymous said...

kim , evedently i obiously shut you up , your now lost for words ,and it seems to me i am not the only one that dont like you or your little know nothing crew ! or your little friends you hang with !Oh and hmm why do i know all about you and your crew ? and friends ? because your all the dirt i walk on !
And if you think for one minute i am gonna back down your crazy !only because i know that i am right and you and your followers are the ones in the wrong , especially thinking you know me and so on, you know absolutely NOTHING, so go along with your fake pics of mist , ghost, runes, and what not ! every one knows they are fake ! i'll tell you this , when i see a weird pic in the cement anywhere , i am gonna be sure to mail it to you , it might be a rune too..so as i said get a life old lady!

angel said...

Kim you do a good job at what you do , don't let others like this creep try to bring you down .I dont understand why people have to be so low and vile ? lets all get along !and cut others down like they are the only ones that know anything

Anonymous said...

It'a Edward H. Gill. Get your story straight. And he most certainly did have a daughter named Gretchen. And If he did not, then why are most of your stories about her also. WOW, you sure are a HYPOCRITE.

Kimberly said...

I also talked with Joan Witt. She said he had no children and is buried in Virginia. And Mr. Gil's name is spelled several different ways. Had you done any research at all, you would know that. Keep rambling. This is fun.

Kimberly said...

Gretchen died when she was an infant, died when she was 12 of a disease, and died at 12 by drowning while trying to save another child drowning. Her father is Edward Gil, John Gill or John Edwards. They come from Holland, Ireland, or Scotland. Her mother died in child birth, or while crossing the Atlantic coming to the U.S.: take your pick! Hambleton's Mill is a GRIST MILL. The definition of a GRIST MILL is:

A gristmill or grist mill is a building in which grain is ground into flour, or the grinding mechanism itself. In many countries these are referred to as corn mills or flour mills.

Now, what else can I teach you?

Anonymous said...

oh yea ? are you done trying to ramble about what you know nothing about , there is the 'Grist mill' and the 'Hambilton Mill' both different ! and yes they could both be certainly haunted , but again you wouldnt know that with your enhanced videos/pictures , next you are gonna say that jake drown trying to save gretchen or what not , please do get a life ! i know the stories and thats that , or wait maybe it could be steve and tammy's brother in law that you call the "crazy weird guy" you are sick ! and need to be treated

Anonymous said...

WOW. Joan Witt? While she may be old enough for first hand knowledge, she is FAR from the expert. Nice try though. And can you teach me anything else? No, sorry. I dont speak BITCH.

Kimberly said...

lol...lol... lol....lol....lol....lo

Sammi said...

Ok, listen whoever you are. I'm not a child. I am teenager. I'm 15!!!!! Get it straight! And te only reason you are downing Kim and us is because your jealous. We actually do stuff for the community unlike you who say they are going to do something and them do the total opposite like donatig the money? Hmm, what happened to that one. And you need to work on your comebacks before you post them on a site for everyone to see because they really suck and are soo bad my brother won't say them and he is only 7!!!! I may only be 15 and young but I sure as hell no more about the paranormal and ghost hunting than you do, the only thing you may know more about then I do is how to photoshop stuff!! Oh and I'm Sammi. I'm the "young girl" on Kim's team. And everyone on there is the best and I love them all. So if you keep deciding to diss on Kim and us your going to have to put up with me. Got it?!?!

Anonymous said...

Sammy .. your mother needs to backhand you in the mouth and was your mouth out with soap dummy ! you are 15 ? and you cant spell anything , do you even realize how many words you misspelled retard ..hooked on phonics might work for you ! are you a jerry's kid ? or dont know even know what that is ? any day your triflin ass wants to run your mouth face to face bring it ! dont sing it ! got it ? who uses got it ? 2 year old! your all a bunch of followers and obese freaks oh and UGLY ! !

Anonymous said...

Oh, wow. There are some truths to ghost hunting. There is also speculation as well. I like to be in the "in between" area myself. Here's what I believe, though. I believe that Kim and her entire crew not only give insight to ghost hunting during our walks, but they also give history and background to the places where we hunt. I, for one, have never known so much about particular areas until I started attending Kim's ghost walks. Kim receives all of her information from people heavily involved in the areas and known historians. And, guess what else, she charges absolutely NOTHING for thses walks. Now, if anonymous is who I think you are, you did indeed charge for this same information and speculation regarding Gretchen's Lock. You charged all who bought your petty little video for speculative information that all of us knew or had heard about anyway. And, what was done with said money in which a percentage was to be donated to the park? Hmmmm, yeah. I thought so.

The only reason that "anonymous" has changed his standing on ghost hunting is because someone called him out on his wrong doing. All of a sudden his(and his team's) website was unavailable for consultation. Then I read a change of heart regarding investigating paranormal on said webpage. The page stated that anonymous was changing his beliefs. The heat got to anonymous. But yet, anonymous made money from this video that he wanted everyone who watched it to believe. I just hope the poor girl hawking the video on St. Clair Ave. day after day received her share!

I, for one, feel raped by that video. So raped, in fact, that I won't even state my name for fear that it would be stolen as well. ;)

Mike Mitchell said...

I want to know why you are so weak that you attack women,the disabled and children???????? Why not attack someone that will do something about it??????

Anonymous said...

Lets see here , the site certainly is up , we have more people with us and we are not done ghost hunting or whatever you may say ! and the 'POOR' girl on st clair happens to be kristina (part of the midnight highway crew) so what do you know now ? again .. NOTHING , and the video was petty ? well you might think that but others dont alot like it ! no one told you to buy shit ! you probably didnt even pay for it anyways you probably got an illegal copy from 'FATTY' stacy or tammy ! they will get theirs in the end ! ar will you ! karma is a bitch !so mind you business !



MIKE Mitchell you can shove your lazy wife and the kids , old , disabled people and whatever else up your @$$ i'm not intrested , Do you think your bad enough ? i'm thinking not ! you all know where i live on st. clair , show up ! or shut up !

Anonymous said...

Crazy Drama! Wow. Cant we all just get along!

Anonymous said...

Oh, dear. Forgive me, Shauonymous, em,I mean, anonymous. I must have been dreaming when I read on your website that you were no longer going to persue ghost hunting due to religious beliefs. Are you denying that now as well? I never claimed the site was down at any time, only unavailabe for consultation. Better get your dictionary and thesaurus out for reference in case you need help with the big words.

PETTY, yes. I'll say it again if need be. Your video is a joke, sir. A joke at best. Using unqualified people to make a less- than-adequate dvd does not make your team or mockumentary a success. Bit I digress.

By the way, why no comment from you on your donation to the park committee? Ummm hmmm. It's hard to comment with your foot in your mouth.

Anonymous said...

listen hooker .. the park didnt get paid because they deserved no money as they were to do things for me . i spent 'TONS' of money on it and they did nothing that was in agreement ! so get a life if yo know NOTHING little girl/boy!

Anonymous said...

omg

Amber D R said...

To Mr. Lonkert: fI would like to say that you forgot about me, the team member that is not seen. You say mean things about every one else and I feel so left out. Thank you. I would like to give you some ideas of what can be said about me.
1. I have two kids
2. Been married twice
3. Pregnant agian
4. I'm over wieght from being pregnant
5. I don't know everything like you think YOU do
So please don't forget about the little people in the group because I would like to be a part of the group in every way.

Oh, by the way, I like how you can call out a 15 year old girl and find the things wrong in every one but yourself......Maybe if I stood outside of the liquor store you go in to all the time, you would notice me!

Anonymous said...

Listen Amber cunt ! i didnt forget about you and your whine babies ! hmm what is there to say about you ? your a WHORE ! 3 kids ,3different daddy's , married twice ? again whore ..that is why they leave you you are worthless as they come , you are also a 2 year old !

who else ? whats a peice of me ? bring it on ! i am ready douches !

Anonymous said...

WOW. You all are so mature! And ONCE again...Kimberly. Shame on YOU. You can controll this blog and you do NOT have to approve any of this GARBAGE. Why would you approve anybody putting your crew down. This just shows that you really enjoy DRAMA. And as for Shawn, he is simply defending himself. If you dont like what he has to say, then dont post it. Once again Kimberly, this is YOUR blog. Take control of it. You act as if you are so in control, then practice what you preach. In ghost hunting, there are NO experts. There are no rights or wrongs. And it appears that there is tons of JEALOUSY here. Really! You all need to get lives! It is pretty entertaining though! How LOW you guys are stooping. WOW. And the LANGUAGE. Impressive. Try to be adults and get over this nonsence. And as for Shawn and the controversy with the Park. How is that your business Kimberly? As far as I know, YOU did NOT but a Video, so therefor you have no say in it at ALL. And if you did not like the video, TOO BAD. That is YOUR opinion, and everyone is entitled. You know what they say about opinions! Enough is enough people.

Anonymous said...

I say its a circle too!

Anonymous said...

ITS A CIRCLE. =)

Kimberly said...

You are right about one thing. This is my blog. The vulgar comments on this blog are all by him. He said some pretty rauchy things and you are saying shame on me? Hmm. What are you, his mother, or Kristina? He is the one who submitted all these remarks. Why should I not publish them? He should have thought before he clicked. Now he can't lie or change the words. People can now see what he is really like. That was HIS mistake. Not mine. I am not his keeper or conscience. Don't like it? Stop reading my blog. I'd be okay with that.

Amber D R said...

Wow, I thought I had already said that about myself. But like always you take what other people do and use it for your self image. Always taking what you don't do and what every one has done and putting your name on it like you did it.

For your mommy or girlfriend that comes and leaves comments on here...Shawn is the one that comes to the site and writes what he does. We dont go looking for him, stay away from Kimberly's blog if you want to be left alone.

Stay away from the fire and you wont get burnt DUMB ASS!!!!

Anonymous said...

You'd be ok with ALOT of things. This just PROVES that you LOVE the drama. And in my opinion, Shawn is ONLY defending himself. YOU were the one who wrote the BLOG about his dvd and YOU are the one who keeps blogging about the money donation to the Park (as if that is ANY of your business). If you dont want people to lash out and say things, then LEAVE THEM ALONE. What is your PROBLEM with Shawn and Kris? Why dont you just WOMAN UP and be an adult, say what the problem really is. And Im not talking about putting it in a BLOG. Tell them personally and privately. Dont keep airing your personal vendetas for everyone to read. And it appears that Shawn brings all your traffic. I mean, take a look. ALL your comments have to do with this. Your blog is pretty boring other wise. And its really funny, the very first comment on here was from me, and you assumed it was Shawn...So funny! You are so quick to jump to conclusions. And NO... I am NOT his mother or his girlfriend. I just know how to stand up for someone who is being treated wrong! Take NOTES! And you have a nice evening!

Anonymous said...

CIRCLE CIRCLE CIRCLE CIRCLE square.

DUMB BITCH.

Kimberly said...

I did not start this. He did. He always does. I have just deleted many comments he left on other stories I put on MY BLOG because they were stupid and meant to be hurtful. I do not bother him on any of his sites. This time I decided to defend myself against him. And like I said-if you don't like it, STOP READING MY BLOG.
Oh, and at least he got some one else to talk for him on here that can at least read and write.

Anonymous said...

You are a BITCH. And a retarded one at that. It was me that left the first comment on here and you assumed it was Shawn, because you are OBSESSED with him. I think its funny. Kim.... FoR ReaL. Get a Life. Leave Shawn ALONE. Not everyone who calls you out on your stupidity has to be Shawn or his girlfriend. Other people in the world have opinions too. And others can see that you are a goof. And just to let you know... It was just a CIRCLE. No hidden secret ancient message from some secret society of the sprucevaleiens. HAHAHA. Are you off your meds again Kim??

Anonymous said...

As for you WHITE TRASH AMBER. Ummm yeah...... Nice. Real Nice. Go back to WHOREVILLE and shut the hell up. Who rattled your chain anyway! REEALLLY!

Kimberly said...

You are free to stop commenting on here any time. You can't even act in a professional manner,using the language that you do. I just wanted people to see how you really are. And you want people to let you into their homes to investigate for ghosts? Hopefully this will show them to think twice about that.
Defending yourself? Against what? You both are nothing but over grown children having a temper tantrum. You just don't like hearing the truth.
You are foolish though I do agree with you on one thing. Karma is a bitch. Though it is you that should be worried about that. My conscience is quite clear. I didn't go to some one elses blog and threaten a teenager, or call people terrible names or cause all kinds of Drama. You did that all your self. You could have ignored me from the beginning, like I usually do you, but you didn't. That is not my fault. Like I said you have the power to click or not to click.

Kimberly said...

Oh, and I don't have a grudge against you. I am, however, the public that you try to sell your wares to. I also ghost hunt and people like you make it harder for me to do that because no one trusts ghost hunters now in this area, thanks to you. So the fact that you told everyone who bought one of your videos that $2 of that sale would go to the park, and then not doing it, is my business, just like it is every one elses who bought one under those false pretenses. All I did was ask you why you didn't make a donation to the park like you said. You took it from there. Your problems are your own making.

Anonymous said...

Kimberly this is getting way out of control. This is Kristina and it has been brought to my attention about this blog. I read all of the comments and it makes me sick to my stomach. Shawn and I did not write any of these comments and how dare you say that he wrote them or I did. We stopped commenting on your blog in august. We dont care what you do or say. I dunno who is trying to portray us but needs to stop now. This is all insane. Shawn and I would never speak like that. So this is me defending my and Shawn's position in all of this. Whoever is pretending to be shawn or me please stop we dont want to mentioned anymore.everyone just go on doing whatever they chose to do. Everyone does thier own thing. Kim is doing her thing and we are doing ours now leave us alone.

Shawn Lonkert said...

To all of Ghosting12 and who write on this blog. This is Shawn Lonkert the founder of the Midnight Highway organization. I write to you all tonight due to the fact there seems to be some confusion on this board. Annon's have come to me personally this evening 12/7/09 and informed me of the hate messages etc that were being posted on this board. Let's get one thing straight right now, I have not wrote anything on this board except the message you read now. A while back I made a youtube video that was obviously not the right thing to do. I admit, I was angered by what people were saying to me and about me and how they would have nothing of hearing from me personally what I have to say, so i made the video. Since having doneso I have removed it and let it go. That is the last thing I have ever done on this website or about your organization here. Yes I posted my home address and blah blah to see if anyone would actually show up and speak with me personally instead of the he said she said bs. Non one showed. Now someone is on here pretending to be me and asking people to show up or shut up. Listen people. I am on to better things now and want nothing to do with the bs on here. I am only responding so that people atleast know that it was not me saying this stuff. Leave what happened with the park alone, for god sakes that was in August and it is now Christmas time. Leave it alone. None of you know nothing about my plans, or what i have in store. Kim, My advice to you would be this, find a way to snag IP addresses from this website,. I am not sure if you can or not. I know I can from my website because I own it.Do this, target the ip then go to google map where you can trace the IP right down to the street address. Once you have that information you can contact the ISP (Internet Service Provider) and inform them of what is going on and they will put an end to it. I understand you all are angry with me, I accept that, but leave it alone. seriously. Merry Christmas.

Shawn Lonkert
The Midnight Highway

Anonymous said...

i have a few things to say,if i was kim,or the parents or spouces of the person that shawn was callin a cunt,and to threaten a child,and say the things that they both have said,i would take this and everyone involved to the police station now and see what they have to say,i know they would not like it at all,the parents and the spouce should do something about this,,kim you need to do this also,and let them know how he has been talking and cutting people down,you just cant threaten a child and get away with it. i know of a few other people that he has done that to,,come on guys.put this ass away for good

Kimberly said...

And you can guess where this little drama goes from here. They are now denying that they said any of the above comments. The following comments are what they are now saying. I leave it to you, the reader, to decide whether it was them or not. However, I am not stupid.

Anonymous said...

Kim , i however can tell you it is shawn and kristina playing their he said she said games , why else would one say the things they said ! and to CUT down a child is absolutely rediculous! I my self have children and would never talk that way to any of them ,nor infront of them! Unlike them they have said some rude things to many people in the past , they more then likely seem bi-polar one sec they are fine the next!


Kim , you do great at what you do .. dont let others like him try and bring great people like you and your crew down !


Ps. I my self do believe it to be them , as they mentioned you , your crew,stacy , tammy and steve , that right there should say it !

Anonymous said...

Kim. YOU have some SERIOUS issues.

Anonymous said...

Pathetic ? i dont think kim's at all pathetic , she is only showing and proving how these people can be and are ! they cause problems and run

Stacey said...

Whoever you are, What do I have coming to me??? Are you serious? Whats that mean exactly because I think your full of crap!! Kim does a lot of research on the area that most people like you are to stupid and lazy to do on your own. Your obviously jealous of the real ghost hunters. Us ladies are all happily married so quit being obsessed with us, you dont have a chance.

Anonymous said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Kimberly said...

I will not be printing any other comments on this article unless it is signed. NO anonymous comments will be published. I apologize if you sent one recently and I have not published it. Too many lies to sort through.

Shawn Lonkert said...

I just wanted to clear my name on here and it will be the last time I speak on this board. Not because it is a bad board or anything, but because Kim and myself have respecfully decided to go in our own directions. Kim if you could just please let them know that you figured out that it was not me posting these nasty messages I would be very thankful. To all of you though, I dont blame you all for talking bad about me after having read the messages you once thought were from me. But the truth is now known and I wanted to thank Kim and whichever member of her organization who helped check into this. thank you,

respecfully, shawn Lonkert

tammy said...

kim,i agree,even tho i know it was him,and her,,i think that he knows he messed up,threating that young girl,and all the other people that he was talking about,as for me and steve,everyone that knows us,also knows that we are good people,we dont lie.cheat.or steal,i think iam a damn good person,we have done nothing wrong to anybody,and froM all of you out there THAT has been listening to hiS bs,,all i can tell you is im soooooo sorry that you have been brought into his drama,and i hope that none of whom ever knows me,knows that all he said about me and steve are untrue,and that we can all still be ghosthunting friends,and maybey better friends then we was befor

i want everyone to have a safe and special holiday this year,and a even better new years

AND REMEMBER,,PLEASE NO DRUNK DRIVING,,CALL ME TO COME GET YOU,
OR A CAB,JUST BE SAVE MY FRIENDS

STEVE AND TAMMY SMITH
JUST2GHOSTHUNTERS

tammy said...

ok,i bet i know who it is,,,yep,i bet i do,

tammy said...

are we talking about the same person that lives in chester,,,i bet we are

Stacey said...

Did something trigger this stupid lady to go nuts all the sudden? Maybe she blew a gasket? The funniest thing is her calling other people fat, someone needs to buy a mirror lmao

tammy said...

i seen the video,all i can say is WOW